Last month Robyn Ironside, the National Aviation Writer at the News Corp Australia Network, published what struck me as an extremely important article in the Daily Telegraph about the work of scientist Patrick De Deckker, who had obtained a sample of a Lepas anatifera barnacle from the French judicial authorities and conducted an analysis to determine the temperature of the water in which the barnacle grew. A snippet:
The same 2.5 centimetre barnacle was used by both French and Australian examiners — but different techniques applied. “For my analysis, I used a laser to create little holes of 20 microns, over the length of the barnacles. In all we did 1500 analyses,” said Professor De Deckker.
Intrigued, I reached out to Ironside, asking if she could tell me more about De Deckker’s work. She very graciously did just that, and shared this extremely interesting nugget, a verbatim quote from De Deckker:
The start of the growth was around 24 degrees (Celsius) and then for quite some time, it ranged between 20 and 18 degrees (Celsius). And then it went up again to around 25 degrees.
This is surprising. The graphic above shows the water temperature in July 2005, which I take to be a rough proxy for the water temperature in March 2014. (I would be extremely grateful if someone could extract granular sea-surface temperature maps for March 2014 to July 2015 from NASA or NOAA databases available online.) It shows that the waters in the seabed search area are about 12-14 degrees Celsius. To find 24 degree water would mean trekking 1000 miles north, above the Tropic of Capricorn.
It has long been known that Lepas anatifera do not grow in waters below about 18 degrees Celsius, and that in order to begin colonizing the flaperon (if it began its journey in the search zone) would have had to first drift northwards and wait for warmer months and warmer latitudes. What’s peculiar is that this particular Lepas would have to have waited a good while beyond that, until the flaperon arrived in water six degrees above its minimum. As I’ve written before, Lepas naupali are common in the open sea and in general are eager colonizers of whatever they can glue their heads to.
Peculiarity number two is that after this period of initial growth the flaperon then found its way into significantly colder water, where most of its total growth took place. What’s weird is that every drift model I’ve ever seen shows currents going through warm water before arriving at Réunion. Where the heck could it have gone to find 18-20 degree water? And how did it then get back to the 25 degree waters of Réunion Island, where it finished its growth?
I’m frankly baffled, and am appealing to readers to ponder historical surface temperature data and drift models to help figure out what kind of journey this plucky Lepas might have found itself on.
In the spirit of previous post: HMS Terror found after 168 years: https://www.google.se/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/12/hms-terror-wreck-found-arctic-nearly-170-years-northwest-passage-attempt%3f0p19G=e?client=safari
@Johan,
Thanks, of course 168 years is somewhere between a generation and forever. And a much shallower and more defined area to search with modern acoustic tools, at a cost that private and public entities were willing to pay. The relevant takeaway may be that the discovery was preceded by careful re-reading of what was known, and a directed search for onshore cairns and other signs of the Terror party.
What are the analogues to MH370 — certainly one is the hope that new historical data [hint: radar tracks, satellite images] become available, or that new methods [eg, pressing data from a barnacle shell] come into play. Another analogy perhaps is the image of researcher doing stone-by-stone perusal of beaches for clues [fragments here] that have been overlooked.
And remember that a generation earlier would have had nothing to go on — no satellite pings, and particularly no buoyant aircraft components.
@DrB
Errors in BTO and BFO, especially the latter, dwarf the effects of windage. For flight path estimation ground speed and true heading are more than good enough. I can only shake my head at analysts attempting additional refinements of second order effects. Attempting to model various AP modes, and the impact of the environment on these various modes, is not worthwhile, IMO.
Meanwhile, Amelia Earhart http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/new-evidence-suggests-a-harrowing-conclusion-to-the-amelia-earhart-mystery/ar-AAiOKxj?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignout
The authority of inflight security officer (Sky Marshal) was defined in this amendment to the Tokyo convention of ICAO.
http://www.icao.int/secretariat/legal/Docs/Protocole_mu.pdf
@CliffG
So what happens when Sky Marsahl Fife lands at Narita in Japan. What does he do with his Glock, check it at the airport? You cannot carry a firearm in Japan even if you are the PM. Likewise in the UK. This is murky territory. For sure a large number of nations use Sky Marshals, including China, but it is very unclear how the situation is handled in various nations.
Makes me feel good about living on a ranch in rural NorCal. I can carry my Glock anywhere I want to. So does Ami. If someone hijacks one of my tractors, it is likely to be the last thing they ever do.
On MH370 Families Facebook page, scroll down to 900 days and image and on that post, to comments of Alex McGregor questioning the origin of parts and the obfuscation of authorities. MAS has scrapped 777s from which to harvest parts.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1662307500753986&set=p.1662307500753986&type=3&theater
@Gloria
Where is the motive? Without motive you have nothing. People, even “crazy” people, do things for a reason. To suggest flights to Kazakstan, planting of debris, spoofing of the Inmarsat data, all require a reason. To suggest any of these things without a careful consideration of motive is simply irresponsible. I typically ignore such suggestions, but once in awhile they get to me.
If you want to be taken seriously, you have to connect the dots on the “why”. Failure to do so puts you in the whacko category.
@Gloria – an interesting note about the radio transmissions: the article quotes the listener as hearing “New York.”
I had previously read that she heard “New York CITY.” The distinction is important, as her plane is theorized to have landed several hundred feet from the then-visible wreckage of the SS Norwich City. Norwich City, obviously, could be misheard (or misread, from a distance) as New York City.
I’ll leave the rest as a link:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Norwich_City
History, unfortunately, leaves us a long trail of real-time aviation tracking failures. You may recall that on 9/11 the hijacked AA Flight 11 was visually observed by Flight 175, only minutes before 175 itself was hijacked.
@DennisW
There is no credible motive being offered, for the actual disappearance only an authorized version of events touted by the media. The posts of people on here are mostly dealing with minutia of what may or may not be relevant and this generically trading theory and speculation.
It is just as credible to take a global view, and better as there is no strong evidence to narrow and no motive (unless you buy the silly suicidal pilot BS). The motive is pin the blame on the dead pilot, make up stories about him that do not fit the profile of the actual man, according to friends/ family and men of his class in Malaysia.
I’ve taken an interest in the event from the beginning, because the entire thing smells as rotten as 911. This website is based on reinforcing a version of the story, in line with the authorized version but to refine this. It is a market research intel site which appears to be a harvesting to refine the official version. That in itself is interesting enough to keep looking at the patterns here.
The Malaysians have had the frighteners put on them, a warning was not enough so another plane MH17 was taken out by US backed Ukraine govt.
Inmarsat is connected to Lockheed/skunkworks, at the behest of the military.
The plane will not be found as it was destroyed, in mid air or at a location, a base.
The details of the event are not to be separated from the rational for the search.
The nature of the passengers, their destination, the cargo.
The pilot and all those on board were murdered to keep something/someone from the Chinese, intellectual property. The plane was on the receiving end of the application of something, technological/military, being tested and that test worked.
@Gloria
So, you label the suicidal pilot theory as BS, but offer nothing in return. Nothing but vague innuendos involving governments and their subcontractors. Do you have any idea how often I have seen this movie?
Please come to the table with something we can sink our teeth into.
@DennisW,
You said: “I can only shake my head at analysts attempting additional refinements of second order effects. Attempting to model various AP modes, and the impact of the environment on these various modes, is not worthwhile, IMO.”
The ATSB tried your approach and appears to have come up empty.
so what is the consensus now?
burn marks or no burn marks?
@ DrBobbyUlich
“The ATSB tried your approach and appears to have come up empty”
The ATSB have details of a flightpath that was put up on this blog some time ago that crossed each ping ring from 19:41 onwards without changing constant ground speed and without changing true heading at any of the ping rings. You will have to ask them why they have not followed through on this flightpath that fits like a glove.
If so, it won’t happen at a place like this here, where exactly these people get banned.
@DrB
I have been more critical of the ATSB approach than anyone I can think of. The criticism has nothing to do with the analytical methodology used to derive the flight paths, it has everything to do with the flight dynamic assumptions used to create the paths.
These assumptions include, but are not limited to, AP modes and over-constrained ISAT data.
You are making exactly the same mistakes.
@DrB
BTW, do I need to remind you that I do not have a pin in a map at 38S+ with my name on it?
@S25
I just read your post of September 12, 2016 at 9:29 PM To All:
I am very interested in your theory, your East and West routes. I have never heard of it before. The fact that both routes start at 17:07:19z and pass near ISBIX within a minute is even more stunning, and relevant !!
You say you sent it to the ATSB in August 2014 – two years ago – then updated it to the in March 2015 – and again to them in March 2016.
Did you ever put this theory in the public domain before – if so – where and when ?
You then said “I can only present a very abbreviated impression of the two routes since the full data package has about 60 documents involving computations, tabular data, images and explanatory discussions.”
I would contend that such a mountain of effort needs to be examined in detail.
How many megabytes total for the files ?
Can you upload them, presumably one at a time, to dropbox or a google drive or some other file host ?
Would you be willing to do so ?
Concensus? actually, looking at the additional closeup photos in;
September 2016 further potential MH370 debris from Madagascar.ppt
I agree that panel does appear to have burn marks, or at least
scorching, and the panel (photo 9 therein) also has two lines
of holes, as George Tilton said.
Additionally, in photo 11 I discern what appears to be very
faint outline, rectangular in shape, that would overlay those
holes – two lines of the rectangle leading from the small white
paint ‘right angle’ triangle on the left (that also has a hole
in it), and if you look at the ‘L’ shaped crack you see that
its small ‘foot’ follows one of the lines of the rectangle.
Another line is discerned by looking at the largest white paint
patch and considering its left edge to be on a rectangle line,
and imagine the line of the white left edge extending upwards
and downwards.
There is also, in picture 6, a ‘square sawtooth pattern cutout’
visible on the panels right side.
There is also, in picture 11, a rivet type hole in the panel
(the rightmost hole, which has fracture lines radiating out
from thate hole).
Looking at picture 11, I’m wondering if maybe there was no
‘black’ paint originally – seems possible that instead there
were at least two coats of white paint, and the topmost white
coat has melted/scorched/hardened & undergone a colour change
to black due to heat acting on the chemicals in the outer
paint layer and microscopic smoke particles embedding in the
layers surface.
(Of course, none of this is evidence of any link to 9M-MRO.)
@S25
The Western route very much worth looking into and as Ventus 45 says worth putting into the public domain, where at least the pattern of sock puppets contrary posts will be shown again.
However if your mountain of data is relevant and if it does approach the truth, you might provide this to a number of parties first, Blaine Gibson, The families of MH370 and others so that it is not just via a post on here.
This site looks more and more like intel gathering for the authors of the official version.
EDIT;
in my post above, should read;
‘There is also, in picture 12, a rivet type hole in the panel
(the rightmost hole, which has fracture lines radiating out
from thate hole).’
This might have been posted earlier but the items do look like stagecraft.
Comments about Malaysians not going hunting for debris indicate, face saving, keeping the skeleton in the closet or
they know what happened to the plane and have been warned not to comment and thus do not want to be bothered with the debris hunting.
http://www.airlineratings.com/news/807/mh370-dramatic-new-find-may-solve-mystery-
@Freddie,
I am not aware of any means of flying the B777 at a constant ground speed. Unless someone has evidence to the contrary, perhaps that is one reason why the ATSB has ignored such a route.
@DennisW,
The ISAT data is not over-constrained. It is under-constrained, and additional assumptions about the flight modes are necessary to produce a route solution.
@Gloria you are way off the mark with your comments about this forum.
In fact this forum has over and over again demonstrated it’s commitment to discussing all the evidence that shows up irrespective of which version of the story it supports.
If your statement was true then Jeff would never have discussed the debris that showed up first (it ran counter to his northerly route theory), we would not now be discussing the burn marks on the recently found items (it runs counter to the assertion that fire could not have broken out in the EE bay and the plane flown on) and we would not have discussed the validity of the barnacles found on some of the debris (as the effective barnacle information can variously be used for and against several theories) etc. etc.
If you know of any evidence that has NOT been discussed in this forum whatever theory it supports then I have absolutely no reason to believe it won’t be fully considered by this group.
Often when people say they prefer to look at the bigger picture what they are really saying is that they can’t or won’t look at the detail so use the bigger picture statement as a cop out. Yes context is very important but it is just that. Context against which we examine the evidence in detail. It must be secondary to the evidence or we end up bending evidence to suit a chosen bigger picture.
@Crobbie
Er, not really,
What is the best way to hide something? In plain sight. Or as this might be in plane sight.
What is the best way to refine the (official) story, to get experts to help. What better way than to have them offer that help for free on here. Very clever, very 21st internet savvy, market research of sorts.
On this forum my primary interest is the character assassination of the pilot which is wrong, based on my experience of Malay professionals in KL and also the colleagues, family and friends comments.
I can accept that there might have been a monumental systems failure and that Zaharie was as the earlier stories said a hero who actioned, to his experience everything he could do under the circumstances until, hopeless, he set the course so the plane would not come down over a populated area.
On the other hand the details of context:
who was on the plane, passengers the numbers of tech experts working for Freescale ( cloaking technology) and their destination…
China and the increasing Sino-Russian normal relations and cooperation, military, economic(banking), trade…a supercontinent and military threat.
It would be easier to accept the official version if it were not for the intended destination and the Freescale people.
What technology, in their skill sets, was being carried by those people to China?
And then
The military exercises between the US and Thailand
Did they shoot the plane down intentionally, inadvertently or where they testing something (that worked) and took out the Freescale threat.
The apparent Iranians traveling under false (stolen) passports with dodgy cut an paste legs on the photos shared in the media, could just have easily been Israeli agents, they look more Israeli than Iranian to me.
And the fact of the potential for remote takeover of the plane by either hacking or Boeings Honeywell Uninterruptible’ Autopilot System, patents taken out in 2006.
Eventually the truth will come out, like JFT and 911 after the dust settles and interested parties look at all the details, context and players, it is inevitable.
@George Tilton @buyerninety
I now see what you mean about those little ‘holes’ in the piece.
Actualy most of them are not holes but pits. They look to me like pits caused by melted droplets of material that burned through the paint and partialy burned in the skin (I only see 2 holes that actualy go through the skin-surface on picture 11 and 12).
The holes and pits on picture 11 and 12 are also not evenly in line. So IMO it cann’t be rivet-holes of some kind.
IMO they show all signs of melted material burned through the paint and in the skin.
Which brings me to the suggestion this panel must have been positioned horizontal like a shelf while melted material dripping vertically on its surface. The holes and pits like this ones occure also alone on one side. This side shown in picture 13 then would be the top-side of the shelf. Maybe with equipement placed on it that was burning?
It could also explain why the piece is burned on both sides. When being part of a shelf it would be more easily subjected to fire on both sides then when being part of a panel-wall with one side facing away from a fire.
I’m curious about what you think of this speculation.
@Ikr:
My intention was a distraction albeit with some common surfaces. It gives you a wider perspective on things (as the character of efforts put in) but also a reminder that what is believed is seldom the actual case. And that dumb luck and coincidence, and some “three dimensional” thinking can do the trick.
It also gave me the thought that there ought to be something on these vessels (adapted to the specific circumstances) that could be traced, directly or indirectly with some kind of confidence. And that one perhaps also need to be content with a “lost at sea”. Glad you enjoyed it.
@Gloria
Hang on a jiff. You expect me to believe an airline would let anyone on board with cut and paste legs? False limbs are one thing, but cut an paste legs? I once boarded a plane with an artificial moustache (that was the plane, not me)
The Honeywell uninterruptable autopilot is someway down the line. They’re waiting for FAA approval to fly commercial airliners with just one pilot and a trained-up steward, first. The B777 autopilot can be interrupted at any stage in the journey, I assure you.
And as for JFT and 911…
@Crobbie, I am very grateful to you for articulating those points so eloquently.
@Gloria, It is not character assassination to consider the possible guilt of the pilot. He is an obvious suspect, and it would be irresponsible not to investigate the evidence for and against him.
You often hear sentiments along the lines of “it’s hurtful of the NOK to discuss such-and-such” or “it’s defamation of Blaine Alan Gibson to suggest he did such-and-such.” We must suppress the impulse to curb inquiry into areas that seem impolite or discomfitting.
@Gloria:
You are doing half the work for the conspirators. You make everything else seem highly likely. And for what remains you can only inspire extremism.
@Rob,
Those much publicized images at KLIA of the two guys, supposed to be the Iranians with stolen Italian passports. The images, top halves of the photos, different guys, bottom half of the two images the same. Like one of those cartoons where you have to find what is different. in these images find what is the same. The legs, especially the image on the left, cut and pasted.
These photos were all over the internet at the time the plane went missing, can be seen here.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/12/notice-anything-strange-about-the-photos-of-the-men-who-used-stolen-passports-on-the-missing-malaysian-plane/
[Comment edited to remove claims about Uninterruptible Autopilot.]
@Johan,
That is really a dumb assertion, typical name and shame tactics of the sock puppets and shills, working forums.
Inspiring nothing but enquiry. The people who continue to ask questions for without them we would not know what happened to JFK or the truth surrounding 911.
@Gloria:
The shill is not me, I haven’t named anyone, and I have mostly seen you provide answers.
@Ge Rijn
I think you’re right, drips of something molten, that’s why
the pits are not parallel. This wouldn’t be caused by a
resident of Madagascar ‘fanning a fire’ with this panel.
If you look at the EE bay videos, the racks appear to be
made of metal, excepting maybe the cover sitting over the
top of the rack (and the floor beams the panel racks sit on).
But there is a LOT of other panelling it could have come from,
IF it is a 9M-MRO panel.
Incidently, we should remember the cockpit floor of a 777
apparently isn’t metal, but made from composite – also, I just
learnt here that even the ‘beams’ supporting the cabin (up
forward, near the cockpit) are “Graphite fibre composites” (00:21):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5qNEkjtJbs
Mmm, you remember the description of the fire in the case of
EgyptAir Flight 667 – where it burned so hot ‘molten metal’
dripped down into the EE bay?
@Gloria, I’ve edited your previous comment to remove speculation about the Uninterruptible Autopilot. I like to think that this forum is a very large tent, but I must exclude phantasmagorical speculation.
Consider this a first warning.
(JW)
Kudos for deletion edit on the person some posts back. When
they started in wasting space with that uninterruptible pilot
nonsense, my blood began to boil, & I barely held off making
a very uncomplimentary post regarding this blog that operates
under your name…
@buyerninety
Yes I think you’re right. All those equipement-shelfs seem to be metal. At least their frames seem to be.
And indeed those top-covering-panels could be a candidate regarding thickness and color.
See the video (you probable saw it but maybe interesting to others too) at ~3:52:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S-Cggs1jOo
But as you say also there are probably a lot of places where a panel-piece like this could come from (and IF it’s 9M-MRO ofcourse).
Maybe one could be able to limit those probable places by only concentrating on horizontal, non-structural panels that are in areas where fires or extreme heat can be expected to occure more easily.
Like in the cockpit (indeed EgyptAir 667 oxygen flash fire) or EE-bay (probably MS804). Or even maybe a galley.
Hope the ATSB will soon be able to explain this piece.
More about phugoid motion …
The patent application for the C*U flight control system used in the B777, in particular the pitch-axis stability and command augmentation system, states:
In an NTSB Aircraft Performance Study report related to the A320 ditching in the Hudson river, the Group Chairman writes:
Out of interest in how phugoid-damping would affect the curves I posted earlier, I’ve introduced an arbitrary damping term in the aero modeling of Mike Exner’s simulation. The result is shown by the green lines in https://www.dropbox.com/s/q71vq1f7w7rb2kb/SimPhugoid_6.png?dl=0. The pink and blue lines show altitude and rate-of-climb, respectively, for the un-damped motion. The latter differ slightly from those I posted earlier, because I made some refinements to the modeling algorythm.
There are strong indications that some normal mode features are still active at least in the first 4 minutes after the second flame-out, and I have incorporated those in the aerodynamic model:
and:
@DrB
Yes, a “solution”using the ISAT data is under-constrained, and assumptions need to me made to derive a terminus. I have been beating that very drum for awhile as you know.
What I meant by over-constrained in the context in which I used it was to draw attention to the fact that it is common to attribute more accuracy to the ISAT data than is warranted. I should have found a different word, but could think of one at the time.
As far as flying at a constant ground speed (or near constant ground speed and true heading) GPS and GPS plus inertial will produce such tracts in normal flight operations. Whether that sensor data was available to MH370 is not known. In any case, the ISAT data is produced using ground speed and true heading. I see no compelling reason to introduce more refinement into a model whose inherent accuracy will not benefit from it.
Hey, you are doing the work. Do whatever you want to do. I just don’t see it as providing additional clarity relative to a terminus.
@all
An update with another small ‘burned’ piece.
With thanks to Blaine Gibson and HippyGirl.
Seems to be a piece from a same kind of panel regarding color, structure and thickness:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o7o0dubjsd5h7eh/UPDATED%20September%202016%20further%20potential%20MH370%20debris%20from%20Madagascar.ppt?dl=0
@Ge Rijn
@All
Re the larger “burned” piece: I don’t believe it could have come from inside the plane. The piece is about 300mm in width, which is what you would expect of a trailing edge closing panel. There are definite signs there were lines of fasteners along the shorter sides. To me it has the demeanor of a wing closing panel.
There are certainly what look like heat blisters on one of the black areas. It think the piece was most likely subjected to heat after arriving on the beach.
Just a last post from me at present – picture 6, the cutouts
seen on the right hand side.
I considered they might be for a hinge, but the top cutout
doesn’t look symmetrical, also the two cutouts should be
identical to each other if they were for a hinge.
I’m thinking the cutouts are for ‘cable entry’, like
you would see cutouts like that for cables where the ‘panel
edge’ came against or close to a wall, or such other surface.
@ROB
Good point. That makes me think of something else that could have burnt somewhere in flight; an engine.
Indeed it could also be a piece of honeycomb underskin from a trailing edge of a flaperon or other wingpanel.
I can imagine flames and molten metal particles blowing out from behind the burning engine scorching a piece of skin this way.
I cann’t agree with the fastener-lines though. If you look closely most holes don’t puncture the skin completely and those who do don’t reach deep. And they are not in line.
Then agree again with you that a local explanation is probably the most probable.
Like in the Maldives, Reunion and probably many other beach-places locals (and authorities) tend to collect and burn beach-debris.
Maybe those pieces are survivors of an event like that.
It would be nice if Blaine Gibson could tell something about the context in which those pieces were found.
@buyerninety
Yes those cut-outs are remarkable. There also seems to be a straight line there which besides paint is not burned and has a slightly different color.
It has resemblance to the cut-outs in the underside of the Rodrigues-piece.
If you don’t have a picture of it and are interested I’ll post it later (it’s on an other computer).
Ventus 45,
I have been following the MH370 saga since May 2014 and have been communicating with the SSWG and ATSB since early June 2014. However, the post that you read was my first presentation into the public domain. The only reason that I broke my silence was that during the last week in July I specifically asked the ATSB the following question. “I would like to know if there is at least a cursory search planned to be made around either or both of the two terminal sets of coordinates?” They did not reply and it became obvious that the PR campaign being mounted during the time period and the following Tripartite Joint Communiqué clearly indicated that they would not entertain a cursory search at any other location: “Ministers agreed that should the aircraft not be located in the current search area, and in the absence of credible new evidence leading to the identification of a specific location of the aircraft, the search would not end, but be suspended upon completion of the 120,000 square kilometre search area.” The use of the term “suspended” indicated to me the Malaysian desire to control any future search opportunity even though no serious effort would be made to institute a new search for MH370 as per their “credible new evidence” clause.
The last time that I transmitted similar data via email it was over 17 Megabytes which I repackaged into 4 packets of less than 5 Megabyte each. This input would be about 20 Megabytes. However, by combining both routes into one set of Google Earth images and incorporating all 28 images serially into one PDF file the size of this particular document was reduced to about 5 Megabytes. Since there is a table comparing my 24 BTO/BFO results with those computed using Professor YAP’s method I would be providing only two samples out of 24 of my BTO/BFO computations (19:41:03 Yellow and Aqua) thereby achieving a significant reduction in file size. Two Excel files depicting the full complement of BTO/BFO computations using Professor YAP Fook Fah’s vectorial BTO/BFO calculator would be included along with two MS Word tables converted to PDF format.
Since I do not have a Dropbox subscription and this website cannot handle data such as this I have been puzzling on how to enter it into the public domain. I felt that it was time for others to examine and evaluate this unique input. If you have the means to present this data please authorize Jeff Wise to forward your email address to me and we will proceed from there. Thank you. S25
@S25
I assume Jeff Wise and quite some others here are very interested and willing to recieve your data.
If you choose so, I’m willing to provide you with my Gmail-account via Jeff Wise then put it in my dropbox and post it here.
I’ll only serve as a pass-through.
Watched Sully, brilliant portrayal of the pilot but troubling depiction of NTSB. I would have thought Eastwood would have put aside his right wing anti establishment libertarian straitjacket for a moment to provide us with an objective unbiased view of the NTSB, one of the few national agencies with integrity written all over, but then again, he may not have had a movie! so fair play to him but hopefully the audience don’t misconstrue it as anything more than manipulating reality for dramatic effect. Wonder whether he will have a jaundiced view of the ATSB, justified though that may be.
Anyway, great movie and great acting by Hanks on par with his Cap Phillips. Maybe it’s just me but I see only the Yanks are enamoured about turning their heroes into celluloid fixtures or even their hero-villains?? like a certain Mr McAfee for instance 😀
Maybe the Canucks should do one for the Gimli Glider or even the Malays for their very own Z for making a plane vanish into thin air, a mystery all the best minds in the world cannot unravel ……
Elsewhere, the burn marks are indicative of a lithium fire given lithium’s bad press recently aka Samsung Note 7. But it’s still not convincing enough to rubbish pilot suicide once and for all.
I think you folks know that I was enamoured with the SCS thingy based on witness accounts and the geopolitics of it all. But I forgot one thing and it’s not the debris and stuff from a downed liner. That’s minor. The major flaw in my initial conjecture was satellites, more precisely, Chinese satellites. They are teeming over the SCS and to imagine them not having snapped a missile flash is absurd so that convinced me to push SCS away. Also I remembered Belgrade 1999 when China went to town when its embassy got hit by a US missile and if SCS did happen wouldn’t the roof had fallen in over the globe by now. Think about it folks.
And Jeff being intel, as Popeye would pipe “now blow me down, that would be stuff of movies” 😀 not that Jeff would mind the least hehehehe…….
The most plausible reasons remain unmolested, fire +/- collapsed antennae, ghost flight and crash in SIO or pilot suicide. The odds for the latter got shorter in my book at least after that telling interview with the “mystery” woman and after watching the Sully “stunt”. Wonder if Z read Sully beforehand….
@Wazir
Cut paste below from a “Sully” movie review:
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With Sully, the film-makers were faced with a problem: how to make a feature-length movie about a six-minute flight? They took the easy way out and invented an antagonist. As a result, the takeaway is that the NTSB – as I heard one person leaving a screening say – “tried to stitch Sully up”.
It’s not hard to see why this tack appealed to strident libertarian Eastwood. In its populist zeal, the American right wing has been increasingly unwilling to accept the legitimacy of any branch of federal government. Sully meshes perfectly with a worldview where petty and clueless civil servants obstruct real Americans from being great.
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Kind of a harsh review by a clearly left wing reviewer. Tells me the guy has never been audited by the IRS or owned property in the purview of the California Coastal Commission. While I would not claim that clueless civil servants have ever “obstructed” me, it is hard to come up with any examples of them helping me in any way. My own direct experience with the NTSB has been negative.
@Wasir Roslin
Some interesting ideas floated there Wasir, as usual.
You could be closer that you imagine with the film idea. I bet Najib is toying with it already – he would insist on having a leading roll as one of the “goodies”, but would he insist on playing himself? or would he entrust it to George Clooney? I bet Z read Sully.
The more that’s revealed about Z’s complicated private life, the more I think it could have been personal relationship problems that were a bigger factor than the political convictions. A combination of both, but possibly too much emphasis has been put on the political angle?